tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post8766580430985871661..comments2024-02-26T19:22:15.069-06:00Comments on Lex Christianorum: The International Community, Biblical Aspects-1Andrew M. Greenwellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17242573723573203387noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-54240627892658606052012-03-29T10:42:54.301-05:002012-03-29T10:42:54.301-05:00Lindsay: I'm sorry for my lack of clarity. I ...Lindsay: I'm sorry for my lack of clarity. I am the last person in the world who would be advocating a Masonic or Liberal or Humanist or Marxist or what you call a "Talmudic" universalism, which I all take to be a universalism that rejects that "scandal of particularity" and the "scandal of universality" which is the Word of God made Flesh, Jesus Christ, the Truth, the Way, and the Life. My point was that any universalism based on something other than Christ is building new Tower of Babel, a "tower of unbelief." "Unless the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it. Unless the Lord keep the city, he watcheth in vain that keepeth it." Psalm 127:1.Andrew M. Greenwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242573723573203387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-40823049065045923832012-03-29T09:24:11.411-05:002012-03-29T09:24:11.411-05:00Yes, what you said in your comment is nowhere post...Yes, what you said in your comment is nowhere posted in the original post. You've got to clarify the religious sphere from the Natural Order! The Tower of Babel has nothing to do with religion. The Tower of Babel has nothing to do with morality per se either!<br /><br />Maybe, your original post was not clear and then it is confusing, because I see one thing, and you certainly are making another case. Your case in the comments is nowhere clear in the original post. Yes, there is One God and One religion and One morality for all men but one is pulling a biblical story to different ends than its purpose.<br /><br />Karl Marx who was taught by Rabbi Moses Hess is about enacting this Talmudic teaching of universalism; all of this Tikkun Olam of fixing the world, is about restoring the unity of man. This is what the Tower of Babel teaches against. Are you not aware of Marxist/Talmudic teaching? Then, you've got to make distinctions. Dragging the Tower of Babel into this is not good. Political correctness, multiculturalism, Marxism, social democracy, and anti-racism embeded in these ideologies is about creating a one world by reversing the Tower of Babel. <br /><br />Are you purposely confusing things? The Tower of Babel has a simple teaching and story. The Golden Rule has nothing to do with the Tower of Babel.W.LindsayWheelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06236577164127792348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-30699113538746115182012-03-29T04:19:53.230-05:002012-03-29T04:19:53.230-05:00I am not writing of unity of race, language, or cu...I am not writing of unity of race, language, or culture. To expect uniformity of race, language, or culture is clearly an impossible pipe dream, and not even a dream, but a nightmare. This sort of universality would be tantamount to a tyranny.<br /><br />I am writing of a unity of belief in the one God, as creatures of that one God, and of our essential equality as believers (or potential believers) in that one God. I am writing of a uniform natural moral law that binds all men.<br /> <br />Surely you are not saying that it is the plan of God that man be divided in religious belief, so that each tribe may have its, or even each man his, own god? That God wills that we believe in idols? Doesn't God will all humans to worship Him, the one true God? Aren't we all bound--regardless of tribe, culture, etc.--by one common objective moral law? Isn't Christ's redemptive death offered to "all men," "all nations"? <br /><br />As to the accusation that this is a Talmudic teaching. The Talmud teaches the Golden Rule, as does Christ, as does the Church. Does that mean the Church is bringing us Talmudic teaching by proposing it to us as a foundational principle of morality? It seems that similar teachings can arise from entirely different inspirations. I really don't think the Church pulled out the Talmud from the Vatican library before it wrote out the Compendium. I think she is relying on the historical salvation history as found in the Old and New Testaments, understood within the light of Tradition.Andrew M. Greenwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242573723573203387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-9558539789146258482012-03-28T19:25:05.492-05:002012-03-28T19:25:05.492-05:00Have you personally read Genesis Chapter 11?
Then...Have you personally read Genesis Chapter 11?<br /><br />Then how could you write this:<br />"Humanity, however, became divided and lost its original unity. This reality is told us in the story of the Tower of Babel, the "tower of unbelief"."<br />???<br /><br />You just got saying that in Chapter 10, men were living in groups, NOT as a whole. It is an accident (accident in the philosophical meaning as opposed to substance or essence) that man had one lip but the essence of the situation is that man lived in family groups called "race" before the Tower of Babel!<br /><br />So how in the blazes can you write this:<br />"So the unbelief that led to the division in men was to be repaired by faith in God which would open "the way for the human family to make a return to its Creator."<br /><br />It was unbelief that led to the division of men? <br /><br />Have you read Genesis 11 where God described the UNITY OF MEN as evil? I graduated from High School, did anybody at the Vatican and yourself pass reading compt?<br /><br />The plan of God is that man IS divided! Into races! The unity of man was described as evil! And he destroyed it. <br /><br />How can you explain that God purposely changed the language of man which causes division?<br /><br />This "bringing back the Universality of Man" is a Talmudic teaching!<br /><br />That is what the Vatican brings us--Talmudic teaching!W.LindsayWheelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06236577164127792348noreply@blogger.com