tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post6986776437344889835..comments2024-02-26T19:22:15.069-06:00Comments on Lex Christianorum: Golden Rule in Classical JudaismAndrew M. Greenwellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17242573723573203387noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-21313268908823972482010-04-25T19:13:03.705-05:002010-04-25T19:13:03.705-05:00Yes, I love that quote from Hillaire Belloc. He is...Yes, I love that quote from Hillaire Belloc. He is absolutely right!<br /><br />Jesus himself said: <br />Matthew, Ch. 21 <br /><i>“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it."</i><br /><br />For a New Covenant, had to come with a New Wineskin. Jesus said, You can't pour New Wine into an old Wineskin; new wine requires new wineskins. Therefore the Faith, upon his Death, was transferred to the Greeks. The Greeks believed--for they already had Achilles and Hercules, half-men, half Godmen. Jesus was just a natural! a natural fit. That is why he has a name change. That is why his last name is "Christos", a Greek name and word. The First shall be last and the Last first. Amen. Amen. Amen.WLWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-73285474667979664302010-04-25T17:35:59.684-05:002010-04-25T17:35:59.684-05:00By the way have you heard about the Samson Option?...By the way have you heard about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option" rel="nofollow">Samson Option</a>? It is threat that if Israel is attacked, they will unload all their nukes, not only on the attacking country, but everyone else, Athens, Mecca, Medina, Cairo, Ankara, Rome, London, Paris, etc. If they go down, they are ready and willing to destroy everybody else! Their deterance is not aimed at only an attacking enemy. No Christian even in an un-right mind, would even consider this.WLWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-25865020797541681072010-04-25T17:30:32.479-05:002010-04-25T17:30:32.479-05:00I think your point is: "The Faith is Europe. ...I think your point is: "The Faith is Europe. Europe is the Faith." Hilaire Belloc.Andrew M. Greenwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242573723573203387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-31952175864283856712010-04-25T17:12:09.893-05:002010-04-25T17:12:09.893-05:00You are right that the Jews did not consider thems...You are right that the Jews did not consider themselves a universalist religion. It was very much tied to their culture. That is why there was a complete break with Christianity. Christianity is essentially a Greek religion. It was Isocrates who said, "If one speaks Greek, he is Greek". He turned Hellenism into a cosmopolitan idea. Hellenism, moved across cultures and was adopted by many. Essentially, Hellenism was cosmopolitanism. And in the medium of Hellenism, did Christianity grew and developed. Christianity is a Greek/European religion.WLWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-33361294164864851082010-04-25T12:44:40.458-05:002010-04-25T12:44:40.458-05:00The rejection of the canonical status of these boo...The rejection of the canonical status of these books is not determinative of their influence in Jewish life. For example, the Hanukkah is mentioned in the books of the Maccabees, which were part of the Septuagint, but not the Masoretic text. Analogously, some of the Apocryphal Gospels influenced the early Church and contain common teachings (e.g., Mary's father as Joachim is in the Apocryphal Gospel of James). Additionally, the Masoretic text was not compiled until much later. <br /><br />But your comments on the Hellenizing influences are, it seems to me, correct.<br /><br />I think you are probably right that the tradition of the Jewish "Golden Rule" was not quite perfectly applied, and that there was a real sense of exclusivity among the Jews which would be inconsistent with a rigorous application of it. I don't think the Jews ever saw themselves as a universal religion in the manner that the Christians, Zoroastrianism, or that Islam for that matter, did.Andrew M. Greenwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242573723573203387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8585732092994259978.post-57864129718270008082010-04-25T11:49:38.467-05:002010-04-25T11:49:38.467-05:00I don't know how you can subscribe the book of...I don't know how you can subscribe the book of Sirach and of Tobit to the Jews. They specifically rejected the Septuagint when they created the Masoretic text. The book of Sirach and Tobit is what is called "Apocrypha". These books of the Septuagint are Hellenized, heavily. The Jews rejected these books specifically because of their Hellenistic influences. So, I don't know how you can subscribe these verses as a "centrality" to Jewish life. The Jewish community eversince Alexander the Great was split between the Hellenizers and the Maccabees, who were the reactionary conservatives of a pure Judiasm. The Masoretic Text can be said to be of the Maccabean party.<br /><br />Moreover, there are quite many references in the Talmud of the different treatment of the goyim! Tons of evidence. There is more evidence of discrimination, different legal standings than there is of the Golden Rule in Jewish teaching.WLWnoreply@blogger.com